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elgen0
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PostPosted: 11-09-2009 07:36 PM    Subject: Media Center, HTPC, media streaming solution... Reply with quote

Hey I am wondering what anyone would recommend/give their two cents regarding a Media Center/HTPC for home?

Currently, I have an old XBOX modded with XBMC, and for years that has been working perfectly, streaming video from my home server, right off of a shared network drive.

The only roadblock is I have recently upgraded to a HDTV, and therefore, would like to start downloading and playing HD videos. The scene mostly uses .MKV containers for these files and that format is too much for the old Xbox processor to handle...

I must say, after looking into other software/hardware solutions on the market to replace the Xbox and XBMC, I realize I have been VERY spoiled with the features XBMC offers...

PS3 and Xbox 360 both do not natively support .MKV and although workarounds exist, I want native support, and not have to dick around with teh file once its downloaded.

So as far as I can tell, I have two options:

1) Build a HTPC. A cheap, low-end, dual core, AMD or Intel, doesn't really matter, with at least a 9xxx series nvidia graphics chipset for VDPAU support in a linux OS for x264 decode. Like I say, I would either install a version of linux and then the XBMC for linux overtop, or I might just run XBMC live natively (which includes its own flavour of Ubuntu natively, for a true "set top box" feel...)

2) Get this really new piece of consumer hardware, called the Xtreamer. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=11 55845

Anybody have any better ideas, or comments on what they have done in terms of either building their own HTPC, or going with some type of consumer product alternative?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 11-09-2009 11:36 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

I personally bought an ASRock ION 330 Net top.
Low power consumption, Dual Core Atom, plays everything I throw at it just fine.
They have a newer one out with a BDRom drive in it if you like now.

The other option I considered, but there was a bit of a waiting list was the Popcorn Hour PCH-200.
It's a nice unit.
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PostPosted: 11-10-2009 01:16 AM    Subject: Reply with quote

That Xtreamer seems pretty badass for $99 (er Euros... whatever the fuck conversion that is).. assuming everything they claim is true about the product.

Lots of options out there, personally if it were me I'd go with the all in one custom unit like the Xtreamer (or any number of other brands) rather than going through the effort of building a rig.
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PostPosted: 11-10-2009 08:00 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

Mhykul wrote:
That Xtreamer seems pretty badass for $99 (er Euros... whatever the fuck conversion that is).. assuming everything they claim is true about the product.

Lots of options out there, personally if it were me I'd go with the all in one custom unit like the Xtreamer (or any number of other brands) rather than going through the effort of building a rig.


I know right?

I am having a hard time justifying the cost of a HTPC with this thing out there, albeit very new to the marketplace.

I kinda want to wait a bit and see what happens with its firmware, watching their forums fairly closely.

The beauty of the damn thing is it is open source!
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PostPosted: 11-10-2009 08:47 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

ok here is my advice, dont build yourself htpc - there is no need for it - the best hardware you can get for any content you want to view is the network mediatank aka popcorn hour - you can throw any format at this device - it will play it, you can stream your movies from your pc, you can use a sata harddisk inside, or usb external devices, it can watch any online video resource (youtube and crap), you can surf the web

dont consider anything else, really - HTPC are mostly bullshit because of the FAN they need, and are noisy
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PostPosted: 11-11-2009 12:41 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

Looking into this exact thing for the basement. I am picking this up on Friday. Plays mkv, networked, and display's at 1080p with HDMI out.

Mvix Ultio MX-800HD

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduc t&cmd=pd&pid=025180&cid=VID.978

Mvix Ultio (MX-800HD ) HD UPnP Media Player
HDD Compatibility Supports 3.5 SATA hard disk (up to 1.5TB), HDD not included
HDD Format FAT32, EXT3 or NTFS format
External Storage Via USB Host (for external DVD Drives / Portable HDD / USB storage)
Video Resolution H.264, MKV, WMV9, MOV, RM/RMVB, TS and HD Divx - upto 1920x1080p
TV System Compatibility PAL, NTSC, Auto
Networking LAN RJ45 10/100M or Wi-Fi 802.11N (via USB dongle, not included)
Network Protocols Embedded UPnP Client, Samba Client, Samba Server
Video Playback Codec: H.264, MKV, WMV9, MPEG 1/2/4, HD Divx , Xvid, FLV, RM/RMVB Container: mkv, ts, m2ts, mts, tp, trp, wmv, Ifo, iso, vob, dat, avi, mpg, mp4, mov, rm, rmvb, divx, xvid, flv
Audio Playback Codec: MP3, WMA, WAV, OGG, AAC, LPCM, FLAC, AC3 Container: WAV [.wav, .pcm], ADIF, ADTS [.aac], M4A [.m4a], OGG [.ogg], ASF/WMA [.asf, .wma], FLAC [.flac]
Image Playback JPG, JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF

Subtitle Playback sub, smi, ssa, srt, idx + sub
Audio Video Out Audio Video Out HDMI1.3 (digital video and audio signals), Component (YPbPr), Composite Video output , Optical (5.1Ch Dolby Digital), Stereo audio output (Audio R/L),
I / O Ports USB2.0 Host (for connecting external CD ROM / DVD ROM / Portable HDD / USB storage / USB WIFI), USB2.0 Slave to transfer Media from PC. 10/100Mbps Ethernet port (Media
Transfer and Sharing across network
Torrent Client Embedded Bit torrent Client
File Management File Management HDD Format, Copy, Delete, Rename, File Transfer via hand-held Remote
Power Input Universal AC 100 ~230V 50Hz, DC
Power Consumption Power Consumption DC 12V 2A, 30-W
Language Language English, German, Spanish, Italian, French, Portuguese, Dutch, Hebrew
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PostPosted: 11-11-2009 01:59 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

if you have windows 7 and xbox 360, you can play mkv files via the divx.com software. however, it cannot play subtitles.
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PostPosted: 11-11-2009 02:25 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

vital wrote:
Looking into this exact thing for the basement. I am picking this up on Friday. Plays mkv, networked, and display's at 1080p with HDMI out.

Mvix Ultio MX-800HD


its a good and cheap alternative to a the popcorn hour, however it does not have a blu ray license (it will neither play blu ray ISOs nor blu ray from USB), it also does not has the space to build in a blu ray player

the sigma chip is also less powerful then in the popcorn hour

tons more - read here

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?t id=28022&highlight=Mvix+Ultio

as i said - if you want the best - get the popcorn - if you are satisfied with a cheaper alternative - get it
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PostPosted: 11-11-2009 04:06 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking about getting one of these all in one custom units, and your post prompted me to go research them a bit.

I ended up deciding on the WD TV Live, based on:
a) the fact that I don't need an internal drive
b) i don't care about bluray
c) the price is right
d) it has the sigma 8655 chipset, which is faster than most of the other sigma's (8635) out there right now. the sigma's are also known to have better picture and sound quality, particularly noticeable with larger TVs, than those units with the realtek chips (like the xtreamer, mvix ultio, and ASUS O!Play).

The popcorn hour C200 unit that harakiri is talking about has an even better sigma chip (8643), which is even faster. But I don't think it's worth the cost right now, especially when the firmware is still in early development, and i have no interest in bluray.

the WD team also seems to have good customer support, and they're promising surprises in their firmware upgrades in the new year.

The advantage that the realtek chips have over the sigma chips is that they can play RVMB files, but I don't care about real media either.

Also, I don't think the Xtreamer supports DTS decoding either (yet?), so if you have any rips with DTS audio you won't be able to hear it, unless you have a separate unit to do it.
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PostPosted: 11-11-2009 05:14 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

If you download an mkv and alter it using mkv2vob it merely takes a moment to make it playable on the PS3.

PS3 kills the 360 in the media centre department, especially if you use the program 'PS3 Media Server' Smile
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PostPosted: 11-11-2009 11:49 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

Dr_Grinch wrote:
I personally bought an ASRock ION 330 Net top.
Low power consumption, Dual Core Atom, plays everything I throw at it just fine.
They have a newer one out with a BDRom drive in it if you like now.

The other option I considered, but there was a bit of a waiting list was the Popcorn Hour PCH-200.
It's a nice unit.


i have a box pretty similar built on a zotac ion mobo. imho xbmc is a better app than anything else out there.
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PostPosted: 11-17-2009 09:21 AM    Subject: Reply with quote

vital wrote:


Mvix Ultio MX-800HD



So I got this. Aside from setting up network share (which was a windows 7 issue and I got it done eventually), this works great. It has a nice little preview thing that plays the movie in a small window before you actually play it.
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PostPosted: 11-17-2009 01:36 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

You should have bought a WDTV Live.

Have a nice day. Smile
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PostPosted: 11-27-2009 11:48 AM    Subject: Reply with quote

Colton wrote:
You should have bought a WDTV Live.

Have a nice day. Smile


if you want a cheap solution maybe but, its just cheap Wink

cant play blu ray isos
no dvd menu support
missing gigabit ethernet

just by looking at some reviews
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PostPosted: 11-27-2009 12:15 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

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missing gigabit ethernet


Not needed as i doubt there are any 100mbit+ streams out there and if there was the hardware wouldnt handle it.
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PostPosted: 11-30-2009 12:08 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

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missing gigabit ethernet


Not needed as i doubt there are any 100mbit+ streams out there and if there was the hardware wouldnt handle it.


you are missing the point - this is for LAN sharing (nas, stream from your computer etc) - nobody uses this kind of box to view shitty youtube videos - but for streaming blu ray discs
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PostPosted: 11-30-2009 12:36 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

Harakiri wrote:
toytown wrote:
Not needed as i doubt there are any 100mbit+ streams out there and if there was the hardware wouldnt handle it.


you are missing the point - this is for LAN sharing (nas, stream from your computer etc) - nobody uses this kind of box to view shitty youtube videos - but for streaming blu ray discs


I'd contend that only a tiny fraction of the market would be interested in streaming blu ray discs (or blu ray isos).

I got my WDTV Live late last week. The firmware is still a little glitchy, but I have it working as I expected it too. Very happy with my purchase.

That said, if you are interested in streaming blu ray isos, get the PCH.
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PostPosted: 07-25-2010 09:10 AM    Subject: Reply with quote

Mhykul wrote:
That Xtreamer seems pretty badass for $99 (er Euros... whatever the fuck conversion that is).. assuming everything they claim is true about the product.

Lots of options out there, personally if it were me I'd go with the all in one custom unit like the Xtreamer (or any number of other brands) rather than going through the effort of building a rig.


So I upgraded my media player from the Ultio MX-800HD to the "new" xtreamerPro. Apparently there was some issues with the regular xtreamer so it seems I upgraded at the right time. This is an outstanding device. I thought the Ultio was pretty good, but this thing makes the other look like a piece of crap.

Best part about it is that I got this thing running over the network. Been trying for months to figure out how to configure network share in windows 7 to a non-windows 7 box. Could never figure it out so I have been using upnp on the other devices.

Pretty slick GUI and doesn't lag, bluray licence and iso support, DTS licence, iphone remote control app, the ability to "fast forward" mkv files.

One negative would be that it's not as pretty as popcorn but it's not ugly or anything.

All in all, a great device
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PostPosted: 07-28-2010 09:53 PM    Subject: Reply with quote

mef wrote:
If you download an mkv and alter it using mkv2vob it merely takes a moment to make it playable on the PS3.

PS3 kills the 360 in the media centre department, especially if you use the program 'PS3 Media Server' Smile


If you use ps3 media server you don't need to convert the mkv. Just stream it across. It will decode on the fly if you have the mkv codec installed on the PC.
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